Civilization 5 offends my Hungarian sensibilities

This post was written on a horse, while reading about Empress of Austria and Queen of Hungary.

I understand Americans learn very little of Eastern Europe, so I don’t hold it against Civilization 5 for making Budapest a city-state instead of an actual civilization.  Sure sure, it hurts, but Americans get such lousy education these days  I can’t expect the Firaxis team to know that Hungary is one of the oldest  and best countries in Europe.

What I absolutely cannot dismiss, for its outright heart-piercing egregious nature, is the kind of city-state Budapest is: …militaristic. How is it that Bucharest, of Romania, is a “cultured city”, but Budapest is not? What has Bucharest contributed to the world?

Budapest is just as responsible for Freud’s theories as Vienna is.  The largest synagogue and medicinal bath is in Hungary. The Hungarians invented wine before the French, and Dracula has captivated audiences around the globe, as has the Rubiks Cube. Einstein wouldn’t have developed the atomic bomb for America before Germany if it wasn’t for the help of his Hungarian friends.  We have excellent china, and even the Mexicans steal our embroidery patterns. And despite how much we all hate the gypsies, one cannot forget their ability to make excellent music. Our Goulash is far superior to any other country’s. The Hungarian parliament is more beautiful than England’s, and our women are easily the most beautiful in the world. Was Bucharest ever called the “Paris of Eastern Europe?” No. Bucharest is the “little Paris of Eastern Europe”.

Has Bucharest contributed anything to the world’s culture, to earn the status of a cultural city-state in Civilization 5?

Let’s look at the facts: Romania is known for stealing Transylvania, birthing gypsies, and copying a Parisian monument.  Again, I ask,  what has Bucharest done for the world? Besides steal tourism logos?  I draw a blank. Can you name a famous Romanian? No. You can’t.

The labeling of Hungary vs Bucharest as a militaristic city-state  is an incomprehensible mistake and I am almost half-pressed to think Firaxis did this to spite me.  I demand Firaxis fix this mix-up immediately, before I sic my dogs on them.

Unless, of course, in Firaxis’ decision to name Hungary a militaristic city-state, they were referring to the might of  the Hungarian cavalry and the reason behind the Great Wall.   I would find this flattering, but it still does not explain why Bucharest is in Civilization 5.


89 Comments on “Civilization 5 offends my Hungarian sensibilities”

  1. Mike Fourcher says:

    Nerd alert! That being said, I play the game myself. Also: Anyone up for a game of Third Reich? Love those old board games.

  2. Jesus woman, why the hell are you so hard to track down?! God. And also, you really need to put an e-mail on here to contact you!

    Anyways, I’m writing a blog entry on my site that discusses female gamers and I was researching and looking and came across your article, you had some good things to say and I was wondering if I could have a discussion with you over AIM or MSN for your inclusion in that. Check out my site and all and let me know, e-mail me at RoKtheReaper@RoKtheReaper.com if interested, thanks. :D

  3. Andrei says:

    You hypocrite,how dare you say that we stole Transylvania from Hungary when we had already occupied that territory since antiquity and we always were the majoritarian population there and you being the biggest thieves and intruders in history you took it aways from us and persecuted our people.You ask what did Romania do for the world.A romanian invented insuline when people didn’t even know what use it had only to be acclaimed 50 years later his name was Nicolae Paunescu.A romanian,Stefan Odobleja,a scientist who invented cybernetics long before Wiener could write his book,so you should be thanking romanians for having a computer from where you can write all your lies.The pen was invented by a romanian.Henry Coanda is the one who invented the jet-reaction engine,you should thank him for having planes if it weren’t for him the jet-reaction plane would have been invented decades later.
    If you would take 5 minutes to watch this you will realize what lies you are telling:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCf8NWJ8kzA.
    You are not even european,you are a migratory people.You had Austria to release you from the ottomans.We had to do it on our own and we managed to live on when other countries and peoples disappeared from the map.So you should think twice before insulting an entire country and its culture of which you think so little of because your frustrated leaders and historians spread lies about it out of ignorance and frustration because they weren’t able to subdue the romanians.

    • Thanks for your response, Andrei.

      Despite knowing english well enough to write that long response above, you have clearly never heard of the expression “high horse”, … or, “on a horse”

    • transilvanian says:

      I am aware of another thing that Romanians are famous for, and that is “falsifying history” – all your Daco -Roman theory…

      transylvanian

      • Andrei says:

        You accuse us of lying?After you falsify history books and feed your children lies,you shun romanians out of their own country.I am adamant on demonstrating a typical filthy hungarian scum behaviour.It is not short of often that a romanian walks into a filthy hungarian scum owned store and the stupid,ignorant,bastard,narrowminded salesman ,which very often happens to be the owner,he says he doesn’t understand romanian even if they do understand,especially given the fact that the only citizenship they have is romanian.Another example would be their attitude towards us,i remember once that i was in a part of romania which was thinly populated by hungarian shits,not being aware of the seggregation between us and the ignorance of these people at that time,I kindly asked a woman for directions and her,being such a well educated woman,turned her back on us and a companion of hers told us that she doesn’t speak romanian. I couldn’t believe what i was seeing and hearing,she treated us like we were nothing,it wasn’t like we were all human.What the person posting this reply didn’t know about history is the fact that so many artefacts dating back to the daco-roman era were found in Transylvania and in the Panonian Plain,the place where Hungary is situated.
        And the Moldavians were offered jobs in industrial zones in 3 out of the 10 counties that Transylvania has.I believe that speaks for itself,feel free to verify that information.
        Please stop with the self-righteousness and give up lying or better yet,die.

        Yours Sincerely,

        Andrei

      • Andrei says:

        Fuck off idiot the roman empire settled in Dacia much time before you barbarian antion came to Europe search in all history books and you will find out that there is no hunagy before 800 look on wikipedia if you don’t trust me . Ok if you didn’t write all this shits that shows that you hate Romania i was not going to insult you and you stupid country.

    • Learn more says:

      Wanted to post World without Romania video also. You should read more. Hungarians are a migratory people. From Asia. Romanians were in Transilvania since the time of Traian the Roman general. He defeated Dacia led by Burebista. From that resulted Roman-Dacia. Afterwards it split in Walachia Moldavia and Transilvania which was CONQUERED by the stupid hungarians.

      Learn first that HUNgaria comes from HUN. You asian retard :P

      • Virginia Della Casa Alberighi says:

        You may find if yr into educating urselves, that the male lines married into Magyar families as documented, also my direct grandmothers and gr fathers back. It was also the existing religious houses who influenced the terms of events, It a very sad and painful time in history for the families involved.

  4. khonu last says:

    WTF!? O_O do you really know what are you talking about? The only thing I see is that u are a very patriotic person, glad for you, but don’t dare to insult a country because of a game! and you should’t dare to tell so many lies together if you don’t have any idea of what you are saying. Listen to Andrei, because that is only the begining of all the things Romania did for the world.

    You should delete this shit because you are giving a wrong idea of the people from hungary. You are showing the world that the only thing it matter in your life is to be important, no matter how many lies you have to tell.

    By the way, i’m spanish, and i realize that i know more of romania that you like neighbor.

    • WTF, do you even know what you are talking about?

      There is a reason why I opened the post with “I wrote this while on a horse”.

      My comment to you, Khonu last, is the same as Andrei’s.

      Also look up sarcasm, while you’re at it.

      • Alex says:

        You should seriously start reading some books Fruzsina. Seriously!

      • Andy says:

        Genetic research shows 80 % of the population of transylvania was Romanian during Austro-Hungarian rule. Suck on that bitch.

  5. Andrei says:

    I am very well aware of that expresion Fruzsina high horse-a haughty attitude or temper.That doesn’t make it alright to insult my people.That makes it even worse,demeaning my culture through sarcasm.
    I don’t know if you have studied it at literature but the most destructive form of mockery and insult is sarcasm.
    I am not looking to insult you or your culture.Some good friends of mine are hungarians who live in Romania.At least I had the courtesy of trying to know them and finding a little about their culture before i would draw a conclusion,only because i didn’t trust the propagandist history books written by romanians and hungarians alike.
    You should really try to open your eyes and rid yourself of prejudice.I well aware of the shoddy nature the claim that we are of pure latin descent has but you should also raise some questions and seek information elsewhere,outside the influence of ultra-nationalism and governmental interests.
    Thank you for your response,I must say that I didn’t expect it to be so civilised.

    • Ah, no, you misunderstand me. No one states they are on a high horse themselves, except, perhaps, to indicate satire?

      I have no prejudice towards the Romanian people.

      If I am making fun of anything here, it is Eastern European nationalism, and the “feud” between Romania and Hungary. See the tags posted above.

      Thanks for bringing up the propaganda textbooks. It is fascinating how former Soviet bloc countries don’t even know their own history because of the alterations done by the USSR regime.

      • transilvanian says:

        Fruzsi,

        A keleti határainkon túl a történelem hamisitás még az oroszok előtt elkezdődött.

        egy földi

  6. Andrei says:

    I understood that.
    I am sorry for the misunderstanding then,i guess i should read more carefully next time.
    By the way your english is really good.I envy you.

  7. Ioan says:

    I am romanian as well and I am well aware of the way that Romania has contributed to the world and the way the Hungary has contributed to the world. I ask that we end this discussion because the past is the past and the present is now so we should worry more about the present. Romania and Hungary are neighbors we should act like it.

  8. dezGusty says:

    Well… before becoming all offended and going to the Internets, have you stopped for a second to think things through? You know… ask yourself “why did the Civ5 team deem Budapest as more fit as a militaristic state than a cultured state?”. And if your answer was something in the neighborhood of “Americans are stupid” because they “get such lousy education these day” you hadn’t thought it through enough (and that’s just an easy to use stereotype, not something that’s actually true)
    Maybe a militaristic state was the cool thing at first. Sticking strictly to the game, I for one always battle for the alliance of the maritime states. They are the most beneficial to my play style. Then militaristic, and only after that cultured.
    Maybe for Budapest they had the choice of either a cultured or militaristic state, and considering it was a regional power, either on its own, or in a dual monarchy, it’s easier to go with the militaristic choice. While for Bucharest, the choices being… maritime? no… militaristic? not really… cultured? well, let’s go with that.

    Get over it, it’s just a game :-)

    Oh, and btw: when making a nationalistic rant… just stick with the usual “we are the most beautiful people under the sun, the gods’ chosen people” and stuff like that. Don’t start saying that Einstein wouldn’t have built the atom bomb were it not for his Hungarian friends. Those Americans with lousy education but with a strong appreciation of talent built the atom bomb, not Einstein on his own, he just contributed to it. The Russians built the atom bomb and they didn’t have Einstein, but they built it after the war, so they occupied Hungary already so they may have had access to “his Hungarian friends”. :-)

    • Anonymus#7355 says:

      On a sidenote, Edward Teller, “the father of the hydrogen bomb” was a Hungarian, who emigrated to the United States in the 1930s because of his Jewish heritage. There were a lot of others with similar backstory in Alamos (Gabor, von Kármán, Kemeny, von Neumann, Szilard, Wigner … etc), see the “myth of martians in Alamos”.

  9. Andrei says:

    I’m sorry,how does this concern you?What do you know about the local history and current conflicts of interests in the area.What business do you have sticking you’re nose like a real american where it does not concern you.You do not know anything of the ethic and moral implications decisions made by statesmen have had and how does that influences the importance of understanding the role these two countries had in the outcome of war.I can give you a partially certified argument by 2 years spent so far on studying International Relations.If you have time please do take a look on what is going on,politically speaking, in Romania and Hungary at the moment.There are talks of dividing my country,Romania,by granting autonomy(meaning that it will be administered by hungarians) to the Szekely land or Tinutul Secuiesc,a region where romanians were and are representing the majority of the population.That is why we are so adamant on proving our point.In case you haven’t noticed this is a blog,people tend to visit blogs,that is why we debated all of the above.
    I noticed that you were offended by a remark Fruszina made about the education in the US.I ask you this:Why were you so sarcastic in describing our countries,especially mine and denigrating its importance?You feel you are right?Let’s take the typical low-culture american attitude with which you wrote your answer.You started stating how insulted you were by Fruszina’s claims then you discarded our opinions and the fact that we were offended by such allegations so easily by contradicting yourself as well saying,i quote:”Get over it, it’s just a game”.Not to mention the beginning where probably out of crass ignorance and self-indulgence you insulted through your “superiority” being backed up subconsciencely(most likely because you seem incapable of such processes,even if they are primitive,in a conscious way) by exaggerated status that your country has in the global balance of power.
    I believe there is no point in trying to support my point of view because so far you have proven yourself incapable of cognitive processes elevated enough that would enable you to understand the arguments that i bring you.
    All of it above being said i will give you the same advice Fruszina gave me after i wrote the first comment,look up the expression “high horse” or “on a horse”.Also be sure of the fact that the US has a lousy education system and you should “Get over it”.

    • transilvanian says:

      God save you! When was the last time you were there?

      If there are any Romanians living there it is because Ceausescu relocated them from Moldova.

      • Andrei says:

        Domnule bosgor nu stiu cine te-a facut pe tine vocea constiintei sa iei atitudinea asta de superioritate fata de noi si sa spui tampeniile astea cu atata detasare si nu pot sa-mi explic de ce ai putea avea tupeul nesimtit sa minti in halul asta,dupa ce ca poporul tau cotropitor ne-a persecutat pe noi timp de secole,in casa noastra,mai ai curajul sa ne acuzi ca am falsificat istoria si ca romanii au fost relocati de Ceausescu.Chiar ma intriga ceea ce spui,in viata mea nu am auzit o idiotenie mai mare si nu am avut de-a face cu un idiot mai mare decat tine.De ce spui asta intrusul dreacu,pentru ca Ceausescu a adus forta de munca in zonele industriale si ca au fost 3 judete in care au venit moldoveni?Eu iti spun sa bei cianura idiotule sau sa te intalnesti cu mine,sa iti dau cateva lectii de istorie.

      • ION says:

        ba sa ne iei de pula , pe noi romanii, bozgor imputit! parca tu le sti pe toate..

  10. dezGusty says:

    @Andrei: what’s your problem? “Outcome of war” ? What war? with each other? You’re treading on dangerous grounds mister. I suggest you just start modding the game, creating your civilizations and clash virtually.

    I don’t see how I was “denigrating” you country/countries. If stating the facts is offensive, … by all means… be offended. But the truth is that both are countries that are not very influential at this point in time on the global stage.

    As for the other remarks, here’s some official data related to education results:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment

    The problem with the education in the US is not that it’s failing badly, but that it eats up a lot of money and delivering mediocre results. But, as you have such a high conviction that the US has a lousy education system… I’m certain you must have seen it yourself. Because if you would simply say that based on hearsay, that would only show close-mindedness… and you’re not a close-minded person… are you?

  11. Alexandru Stefan says:

    Romania has Brancusi , Eliade , Eminescu but you don’t know even your own history if you say Romania stoled Transilvania from your people . Romanian just took back Transilvania . Romanian people were already in Transilvania when hungarian were just some savage in asian steppe . The best leader of Hungary was a romanian too Iancu of Hunedoara . May be in the game Budapesta was militaristic because hungarian are best known as savage warriors from the asian , not european , steppe . But not too good warriors if romanian took Transilvania back :) .

    • StarOfFlames says:

      That’s not even remotely true. Romanian people were latecomers, there was a Hungarian culture already in Transylvania.

      This doesn’t mean that the two cultures would be less than equal. In my point of view Transylvania is a rich region because of the multicultural roots. It’s just that it will take a complete change in the way of thinking to realize that.

      Btw. Iancu of Hunedoara is a late XX. century translation of the name János Hunyadi, a Transylvanian noble, a great Hungarian leader, who was ethnically half Romanian and half Hungarian. And yes, in fact, his son the one quarter Romanian three quarters Hungarian Mátyás Hunyadi as a Hungarian king was one of the greatest Reneissance kings. Please stop falsifying history, it gets in the way of our peoples finding common grounds.

  12. Fuck You cunt says:

    Eat shit you fascist cunt.How long a shit stays in a Hungaryan woman?9 months.

  13. transilvanian says:

    Andrei

    I am sorry, but I have had enough of the lies of your DACO – ROMAN THEORY, no more lessons.Thanks anyway.

    The upcoming lessons are for you “taranilor” to learn.

  14. StarOfFlames says:

    Dear Fruzsina!

    Though you give Romanians a hard time, I completely agree with most of your arguments. It’s just that an American game developing team really knows little about actual history. Look at the game itsself! I don’t know much about the other episodes in the series, I only know Civ IV but in that game, all the American idols, democracy, liberalism, emancipation, etc are depicted as the top of history, as the greatest of all values. It’s not that I don’t agree with these values, it’s just that I can imagine that a South-American team would have developed a game in which Christianity, as a world religion would have been the greatest achievement of Mankind.

    So, I guess it’s just another representation of American way of thinking. I don’t think you should offend our dear Romanian neighbours like that. I think the greatness of our Hungarian culture bears a responsibility to “carry the torch”, to donate great things to the world and spread the great values of civilization. It’s not that we, as a people are more valuable than any other nation, I think the point of our culture being ancient is that we just have more responsibilities. It’s like Hungarian was once a common language of commerce and culture in the Carpathian Basin and can very well become one again. Once we sort out the disputes with our neighbours which can be done. So I think our culture can be a coloumn of European civilization, even in such dark times like this. And this doesn’t mean that the younger nations surrounding us would be in any ways less valuable. On the other hand, because of the common roots they are like missing places of a puzzle in regional culture.

    By the way, I personally think that the team didn’t mean any offence against us, I think they simply mixed up the names by accident. It would make sense.

    So folks just please be friendly to each other and don’t get into another Hungarian-Romanian flaming, just agree that Americans… they do nothing about us.

    Sincerelly,
    StarOfFlames

    ps. I know this comment is very late and it lands in a near-dead thread but I wish I could help.

  15. StarOfFlames says:

    *Correction:

    “So folks just please be friendly to each other and don’t get into another Hungarian-Romanian flaming, just agree that Americans… they do nothing about us.”

    I meant, they do _know_ nnothing about us

    Star

    • Andrei says:

      You sir, need to study more history and try to be more objective. I am always sorry to see that people like you have the audacity to make such disinformed claims which damage the image of your people mostly(who are probably secui because respectable Hungarian citizens are too civilized to do such a thing). You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and I would strongly suggest that you stop making such claims before you misinform people pointlessly. This would be a good first step towards a reconciliation of our differences and towards acknowledging that we share a common past which entitles us all to live, with equal rights, in that region. Although Hungarians are the people who came afterwards there has never been any denial of the great cultural heritage they have brought along. We must also remember of the persecution that the Romanians had to suffer throughout the occupation.
      If we are to judge from a cultural perspective, we were the ones who gained more but if we change this perspective we could state that we were the ones who were more persecuted because of our lack of rights, abuse, marginalization, etc.
      I could give you a very good example of how szekely people tend to reject the idea of integraton : In April 2011 I had to take an IELTS exam in Brasov in order to be able to further my studies in Economics and International Relations in the UK.I had met a young szekely there who told me that he doesn’t know Romanian(which was strange since he is a Romanian citizen who lives in Romania) and he said that we should better speak english because, this way, we can also practice. After we got out, we were asked by a couple of girls(they were conducting surveys for the IELTS people in ROMANIAN) and my good szekely friend was perfectly able to answer in Romanian even though he said he didn’t speak it. Although I didn’t find what he did to be very civilized, or normal for that matter, I respected his decision and kept on speaking English with him.He even left me his yahoo chat id so we can talk about our results and to give him some advice on how he can apply to study in the UK.
      So please do tell me sir, which of our peoples(I think it is safe to say that the szekely can be called Romanians, since we tried to provide some integration) is being more stubborn when it comes to finding common ground?Please do no feel the need to answer this question because I do believe that your answer will be an insulting one and that you will not choose to understand and accept what truly happened, despite the fact you are perfectly capable of doing so.

      • Anonymus#7355 says:

        The two basic theories about the Romanian origins (Daco-Romanian continuity and the immigrationist theory) are widely disputed, I don’t think anyone can say with certainty which one is true.

  16. Mark says:

    Well I’m truly surprised that something could offend your “sensibilities” since based on this post you are not even close to being anything resembling a sensible person. Let alone the fact that you appear to be downright racist (which is always amusing when someone claims to be hurt and offended while hurting and offending others), your style and rhetoric is all too typical of a person being their own caricature demanding that their feelings be respected but completely disregarding others’. Life is not a zero sum game, dear. Romanians and gipsies (or anybody else) need not be hurt for you to get your feelings “respected” by others, and now you just have no leg to stand on.
    However, what I find especially ridiculous is that you speak as if you were a citizen of the place, you, who never lived in Hungary, never payed taxes here, don’t know the first thing about the “real” country behind all the pseudo-historical lovey-dovey stuff, and who (and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here) might have at best only read about it, but most probably only “know” the place through having heard a few very touching stories about it from mum and dad or maybe a friend or two (none of which qualifies anyone as a Hungarian, just as one does not become a football player purely by shouting from outside the field but never actually playing the game). You are wearing your phoney “Hungarian sensibilities” like a Christmas ornament and got the nerves to call yourself being one of “us”, with all this arrogance and disrespect towards others? Well, having read your bombastic and boastful words clumsily getting your thick, dark ignorance across, if I weren’t Hungarian (wow, yes, an actual one, living in named country, who would have thought…!) I’d say you got what you deserved. You WERE militaristic, petty and shouldn’t be given anything more grand than a city state in an RTS game. If I worked for Firaxis, having read your post I’d be pretty damn sure I hadn’t made any mistakes.

  17. Andrei says:

    You sir, need to study more history and try to be more objective. I am always sorry to see that people like you have the audacity to make such disinformed claims which damage the image of your people mostly(who are probably secui because respectable Hungarian citizens are too civilized to do such a thing). You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and I would strongly suggest that you stop making such claims before you misinform people pointlessly. This would be a good first step towards a reconciliation of our differences and towards acknowledging that we share a common past which entitles us all to live, with equal rights, in that region. Although Hungarians are the people who came afterwards there has never been any denial of the great cultural heritage they have brought along. We must also remember of the persecution that the Romanians had to suffer throughout the occupation.
    If we are to judge from a cultural perspective, we were the ones who gained more but if we change this perspective we could state that we were the ones who were more persecuted because of our lack of rights, abuse, marginalization, etc.
    I could give you a very good example of how szekely people tend to reject the idea of integraton : In April 2011 I had to take an IELTS exam in Brasov in order to be able to further my studies in Economics and International Relations in the UK.I had met a young szekely there who told me that he doesn’t know Romanian(which was strange since he is a Romanian citizen who lives in Romania) and he said that we should better speak english because, this way, we can also practice. After we got out, we were asked by a couple of girls(they were conducting surveys for the IELTS people in ROMANIAN) and my good szekely friend was perfectly able to answer in Romanian even though he said he didn’t speak it. Although I didn’t find what he did to be very civilized, or normal for that matter, I respected his decision and kept on speaking English with him.He even left me his yahoo chat id so we can talk about our results and to give him some advice on how he can apply to study in the UK.
    So please do tell me sir, which of our peoples(I think it is safe to say that the szekely can be called Romanians, since we tried to provide some integration) is being more stubborn when it comes to finding common ground?Please do no feel the need to answer this question because I do believe that your answer will be an insulting one and that you will not choose to understand and accept what truly happened, despite the fact you are perfectly capable of doing so.

  18. Nike2000 says:

    Einstein built the atomic bomb for the hungary friends?! Maybe to bomb them if that was what you wanted to say. Anyway this doesn’t deserve my comment.

  19. AlexInter says:

    “Has Bucharest contributed anything to the world’s culture, to earn the status of a cultural city-state in Civilization 5?”

    George Enescu, Constantin Brancusi, Nicolae Grigorescu, Stefan Luchian, Grigore Antipa, Henri Coanda, Aurel Vlaicu, George Emil Palade.

    So much hate for a stupid game.

  20. Mancaiai pl de ungur spurcat la gura,si da stiu ca stii romana daca nu baga google translate fututeash in gat de bozgor,dute la Attilla fmmm de ratat!

  21. Cosmin says:

    First i want to apologies for my English .. i so a very good English in the comments … but is not my intention to write or speak a perfect English. Second i am a Romanian.
    I so some Romanian comments in Romanian language that have no palace in a dispute no matter on which side you are.
    On the other hand, to say regarding any other culture that has no value … well is not good. It is a well-known fact that Budapest is more known then Bucuresti.
    It was very amusing to read the comments. It is quite amazing the reason of this dispute. I played a lot of Civ and personally, I was amazed when i found that Bucuresti is even present in Civ V. It is amazing that the persons involved in the game creation know that Bucuresti exist.
    Regarding the Civ if I remember correctly they have added a new king , Attila so ….problem solved …. I will request that Decebal to be also present .. in Civ :)).
    At the end it won`t matter , Transilvania is part of Romania now and this fact will not change especially now with the idea a united Europa . Probably in 100 – 200 years we all speak English and the language problem will be solved.

    • anoron naur says:

      Thank you for the honest comment and don’t worry about your English, the English/American people should apologize for taking it granted that everybody should speak perfectly English.
      There is just one thing, the new king you mentioned, Attila was a Hun king.
      The relationship between the Hungarians and Huns is pretty much as close as the relationship between the Dacians and the Romanians. Being non-existent.
      The Huns and Hungarians were two separate tribes from Asia.
      When the Hungarians were coming TOWARDS Europe, they met the Huns who were coming OUT of Europe.
      Although the Hungarians would like to be originated from the Huns as much as the Romanians from the Dacians.

      I don’t want to insult you in any way, I am not commenting on your knowledge. I am just pointing out the misinformation so nobody gets confused.

  22. vlad says:

    >Hungary is one of the oldest and best countries in Europe
    Hungary one of the oldest country? Oh please fuck off to Asia mongol. You’re probably one of the newest.

    • Anonymus#7355 says:

      To be fair, the first Hungarian king was crowned in 1000 AD by a crown sent by the pope, that makes it definitely not the newest kingdom in Europe.

  23. Andy says:

    You fucking idiot, you think the world cares about your country? “bestand oldest in europe”. you nationalistic fucker, WWII happened because of people like you, you dumb cunt. Even when Romania was under the possession of Austro-Hungary 80 % of the population (the peasants,the people) were ROMANIAN.ROMANIAN.ROMANIAN. Understand now? I wrote it three times for you, you dumb cunt. Im romanian and in my opinion the best countries in Europe are germany,netherlands,etc. You really think anyone in the world gives a shit about Hungary or Romania? Two little in countries in the smallest continent with the most countries.HA get real.And get over it. What are you so butthurt about. This happened generations ago, you weren’t even alive than. YOU HUNGARIANS ARE ALWAYS PICKING A FIGHT WITH YOUR NEIGHBOURS. EVERY COUNTRY THAT SURROUNDS YOU MONGLOIDS IS CONSTANTLY PESTERED WITH RACISM BY YOU HUNGARIANS. Your shitty little army counldn’t even take over the smallest village and yet you have the audacity to proclaim hungary as one of the best countries on earth. I spit on you and your nationalistic, racist, fascist ideals you pig.

    • anoron naur says:

      Well, that answer is just amazing!
      I don’t know what is more amusing, the amount of false facts or the extensive cursing and insulting my nation!

      First of all, the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy did not possess Romania. If you would know even a little bit the history of your own country, you would know that Romania formed in 1859 and the only area which contained some Romanians and was ruled by Hungarians was Transilvania. The high percentage of Romanians in Transylvania was because the Romanian migration into Transylvania. Transylvania had better economy than the Romanian states and thus it meant a better life for the migrating Romanians.

      “Im romanian and in my opinion the best countries in Europe are germany, netherlands,etc.”
      I do not argue with you about that. I am only saying that I agree with Fruzsina’s opinion about the significance of Hungary in the Middle Ages. The “little” Hungary that you know today, only became “little” after WW1. Before 1918 Hungary was one of the biggest country in Europe, it even had access to the Mediterranean sea.
      Also, as far as I know, the Civilization franchise focuses on civilizations no matter of their present state. If you think that “Two little in countries in the smallest continent with the most countries.” shouldn’t be in the game then half of the civs have to be kicked out as well. Did you see the Siamese, Aztec, Carthaginian or Celtic Empires on the map nowadays? I didn’t think so.

      As for the “Your shitty little army counldn’t even take over the smallest village and yet you have the audacity to proclaim hungary as one of the best countries on earth.”, I am not quite sure what you mean. I might say that the Kingdom of Hungary had one of Europe’s best army in the Middle Ages. Here are some examples, if you don’t believe me, look it up:

      -The Hungarian army withstood the Turkish invasion for 160 years (1366 – 1526) and resisted the invaders for another 200 years when the Turks were driven out of the country. Hungary also aided the Romanian states against the Turks (Stefan Cel Mare).
      -Matthias Corvinus’ Black Army was well known in the whole of Europe and feared by the Turks. In fact the Hungarian Black Army was the only army in history* to conquer the city of Vienna, the capital of the Holy Roman Empire. (*except of course the Red Army in World War II but that wasn’t really a challenge for the Russians)

      Finally, for those who are reading this but are not Romanians or Hungarians, it might be interesting to note how many Romanians cursed and insulted Hungary in this debate and vice versa.

  24. Roman says:

    you are a liar
    Budapest is militant because Hungarian are barbaric. you want to send your dogs on them for no reason. that immediately shows your barbaric character.
    Romanians love dogs as they love all the animals and will never send them to war. you are letting the innocents to die for your cause…
    Romanians are very civilized.
    i understand it must be difficult for you to be inferior but you are a barbaric Hun you know…

  25. xyz says:

    Hungarians and Romanians have been fighting for hundreds of years (more than a thousand, really). Over the course of this period, a lot of things happened to bring one side or the other to an advantage.
    Whose truth is the real one is a pain in the ass to find out and all this drama isn’t really worth it.
    Grow up. All of you.

  26. dac says:

    You are a stupid litlle child , if you reached to those conclusions just because of a fucking game you deserve to be called a complete fuck head.Jesus , GROW UP motherfucker , we live in the 21 century not in the 14th!

  27. Balazs says:

    First of all Romania not a nation, they are just a group of people who had benefit from that they betrayed everybody and always changed their sides during the history. Romanians always supported that bigger nation where they could get bigger gain. Their history just a fable same as their language. They are very proud and try to get some evidence of their “fable” but the biggest problem if they start to dig in the “old romanian soil” they find just Hungarian things. Another problem nobody can or doesn’t want to explain why do the Hungarians live in the middle of europa, with a totally different language then their neighbors or even on the whole world. Because the Romanians did well they just took a little french, a little italian, mix with a little bla bla, and they were ready, and they already had brother nations! But the Hungarians has their own culture, kitchen, habbits, history, writing system, and language. And this could be very painful. And that’s why they want to delete from this (now) little country, or ignore. And they forgot that the Hungarians protected the whole Europa for thousand years against the Turkish, Mongols, or barbarians.

    • EUROmanian says:

      Is it our fault that you, Hungarians, don`t gasp the principle of geopolitics?

      Romania has looked after it`s own interests first and foremost so it`s natural to go with the country could help us get the land we claimed.

      We went with Germany to get Eastern Moldova but we switched when the Soviets agreed to Romanian demands over the return of Northern Transylvania.

      To throw ourselves in the world`s biggest war with no real goals is beyond the realm of stupidity.

      Our switch was also made possible by the fact that the Germans wanted to make a stand in Hungary not Romania so we had less German troops stationed in Romania so we could turn our weapons against the Germans and regain much of our lands while you couldn`t because Hungary was swarming with Germans.You would have saved your own hide too because that is the natural thing to do.

      With all the respect for the German nation but at that time we had to look after our own interests.

      You as a Hungarian must ask yourself one question and be honest about the answer: “How come us, as Hungarians thus an Asian looking people – Mongolic very likely, came to look 100% like Europeans?”

      I`ll give you a hint you border a country that has almost the same genetic makeup like you.

  28. You are Wrong says:

    You asked if we can name a famous Romanian..Yes,I can..Henri Coanda,he invented the world’s first jet in 1950’s..U don’t belive me??Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Coand%C4%83 .I think the hungarians are not so cultured after all… NO OFFENSE

    • anoron naur says:

      I don’t see the relationship between you naming a famous Romanian and the Hungarians not being cultured. There are many famous people in both Romania and Hungary. Please don’t start arguing who has more famous people.

  29. Decebal says:

    Baga mi as pula in dumnezeii tai de bozgor imputit acum si in vecii vecilor! Va asteptam baga ne am pula in mortii vostrii in septembrie in Micul Paris sa va aratam ce inseamna Romania. Mongoli imputiti, parveniti si lesinati o tara de cacat condusa de oameni de cacat si plina de, ei bine, cacat. Now let’s use the only foreign language that a hungarian is able to learn with their tiny shithead. You are worthless for Europe, to say so … just like a pair of dirty underwears – sometimes may have kept the shit spilling on the trousers but now good only to burn and that s what will happen will all mongoloids. The first few months of this year you were like ………. away of mass beating and killing in Transilvania( i spell the region true name). Just dare saying shit again about the only true romanic nation left. We romanians are part dac, thracians and part romans(for dullheads like you the close prounounciation isn t very relevant) we stood our ground for over 2000 years against every conquerer barbarians, ottomans, germans, russians. If we weren’t here centuries ago you d pray 4 times a day and wear a fucking orange dress as pants. What are you? You are mongolians that were scatter from their homeland and claimed land that have been defended with blood. Culture?!?!?!? That was a good one … If there was not an Austrian ruling in your country you’d look up at albania or turkmeistan. I hope you die screaming in agony and realising what shitty life you lived, in fucking denial.

  30. Youdontwannaknowit says:

    I think we can agree: these comments prove best the culture of Bucharest and of Romania. Dear and kind, mostly respected Romanian friends: please, send these comments of yours one-by-one to Firaxis Games, let them show your culture! The first thing they would do is deleting Romania from the entire game in the Civilization patch, for sure…

  31. HighwayCat says:

    I don’t think the main theme of this article was to abuse Romania, but to point out, that Hungary shouldn’t be a city state, or if it is than at least, it shouldn’t be militaristic, but cultural.

    Fruzsina, I have to say, I agree with you about the city state thing, it bothers me a bit too, but the other one is depends on, which era of our country did they want to represent in the game. I know that we had, and still have a lot of great minds, but the most famous thing about us in the world, is the mounted archery, and gulash. :D I know it’s a bit sad, but if you look at the time before the reform age, we were a militaristic country. We conquered the Carpatians and in the time of King Matthias, and the Black Army we occupied the surrounding countries too. (still not talking about the differences, but about the militaristic charactesistics). For now these things changed, and we had enlightened people since than, but those years were the “honourable centuries” like Kölcsey said in our hymn’s subtitle. :)

  32. Hello there!

    I am a Romanian living in Bucharest and I have had a good laugh while reading this nicely-written article. Disregard the nationalists, the entire point has flown over their heads.
    Have a pleasant day and do keep making Romanian nationalists mad – it made my day today!

    Best regards,
    Silviu-Mădălin Lorenț

  33. Sid Meier says:

    Good afternoon!

    I’m Sid Meier, creator of the original Civilization and designer of the 5th game. I’ve been reading these comments, and what I’ve seen here is very disappointing.

    Me and my associates at Firaxis Games thought that Romania was a cultured nation. We have some talented and magnificent Romanian colleagues at Firaxis Games who’ve proven this. However, these comments from several Romanian people makes this fact utterly questionable.

    As you may all know, Brave New World has already arrived. Yet Romania wasn’t introduced in the new expansion, and it is no coincidence. With my fellow developers, we found Romania a nation ‘unworthy to include’, and we regret at the best that we included Bucharest as a city-state. It is highly questionable that Romania deserve the rank of being ‘cultured’, and these comments stood perfectly as proof.

    We would like to make it clear: Romania has no place in Civilization, and though it won’t be removed from Civilization V, it will have nothing to do with a future Civilization VI, it is guaranteed.

    Including Hungary though, is still pending, we require more resource, time and research about the topic.

    Thank you for reading this message, we wish you all the best,

    Sid Meier
    co-founder and Director of Creative Development
    Sparks, Maryland (MD), United States of America

    • Incult Romanian Citizen says:

      thank you.
      you should create instead a new branch of barbarians: romanian barbarians
      your most humble servant
      Eric.

    • Barack Obama says:

      And I am Barack Obama and I declare you a terrorist.

      Pathetic , you will be from Sid Meier when pigs will fly.
      Such an answer can’t be given from a Sid Meier staff , because you are too less informed to be one of them . Get lost and go to Budapest and swim in culture .

      • Sid Meier says:

        Oh no, please Mr. President don’t!!! I officially revoke all the sanctions, and instead of Bucharest, Budapest will be removed next time!!!

        I love Romania! I love Bucharest! It’s a very very beautiful city with wondrous monuments!!! I love especially how the Danube river splits it into to parts! I love Buda castle too! I love the Chainbridge, Heroes’ Square, yeah yeah aaaall of them are in Bucharest, right?

        Wish you all the best,

        Sid Meier
        co-founder and Director of Creative … blah blah, i’m sure you get it…

      • anoron naur says:

        Sorry Mr. President, but are you frickin kidding me!?
        Blaming a nation for somebody who went a little bit over the top is the same as blaming a country for a game!

        If you are really Barack Obama, the president of the United States of America, the least I would expect is a bit more common sense.

      • anoron naur says:

        Ehm, sorry Mr. President, ehm, I misunderstood something you said…
        I take back my monstrous comment that I just made about your common sense…
        Your point of view is absolutely right and I’m nobody to question it or make fun of you.
        Please accept my deepest regret for insulting you.

        (P.S. please don’t send the CIA after me..)

        (p.p.s I still agree with Sid Meyer though)

      • anoron naur says:

        Also,
        Seriously, how did YOU come across this blog?
        It has nothing to do whatsoever with anything you could ever possibly be interested in.
        I know Sid Meyer (who is American) insulted a whole nation (and stood out for another) and you are theoretically responsible for your citizens but still…

  34. Psyche Lode says:

    I am a romanian and i’m a bit ashamed of the way both people handled this. I’ve been to Hungary, i have friends who are hungarian and they are quite nice people. Most hungarians in Romania speak romanian and don’t have silly ideas like autonomy.
    We’re all stuck in the same ooze. There are a few nationalists on both sides that feel like stirring shit for everyone.
    Both countries are quite old and share a lot of history. Both countries were screwed over by all major powers for thousands of years. The last soviet soldier to leave Hungary did it in 1991.
    Romania was just a tiny bit luckier.
    There are great people who accomplished much on both sides and advanced the entire world.
    • Fought the ottoman empire – both sides did that with various success across time.
    Stephen’s opposition to the Ottoman Empire protected the entirety of Europe from an invasion. After the Battle of Vaslui, Pope Sixtus IV named Stephen “the Champion of Christ” (Athleta Christi).

    …but…

    After a failed attack on the Ottoman vanguard Stephen seemed on the brink of defeat when King Matthias Corvinus of Hungary offered assistance. The Ottomans withdrew when the Hungarians began moving in and fighting did not resume until 1484.

    We were united then. There were betrayals on both sides….like the death of Michael the Brave.

    • Then both countries were left to the mercy of the USSR. To disastrous consequences for each and every citizen. We made it through that as well. There are hungarians living in Romania just as there are romanians living in Hungary, so apparently we can get along.
    I actually know a few mixed couples who are very happy.

    And still, both countries are here, and great empires have fallen.
    We did fight among eachother. Tell me of an european country that didn’t. There was always land to conquer, people to fight, family to defend.
    And now we are part of the european union and NATO. We fight for a common goal both economically and with military resources.

    Culturally both countries have a lot to offer and that’s because there is no place on earth where you can’t learn new things and see wondrous monuments and amazing civilizations.

    There are great painters, sculptors, composers and inventors on both sides.

    Mircea Eliade wrote the first history of religions, János Csonka invented the carburetor, George Enescu wrote unbelievable music, but so did Bela Bartok. Mina Minovici was among the first forensic scientists, but Donát Bánki invented the cross-flow turbine, Henri Coandă was an aircraft designer and discoverer of the Coanda effect of fluidics, and the first jet, Csaba Horváth, invented high-performance liquid chromatograph……….and the list could go on for pages and pages.

    Just read these for further reference:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hungarians

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanians

    So stop bickering about who’s the better man, the truth is none of us are. We’re just lucky enough to be born as a member of either nation. WE didn’t do anything. Great men with brilliant ideas did. Great men who have sacrificed much and advanced the whole world so we could enjoy simple pleasures like art, music, driving, flying across continents…….
    even to the USA when things got a little bit rough here ;)

  35. Psyche Lode says:

    I forgot to reply to the Firaxis team. Don’t be affraid of Fruzsina’s dogs, just play fetch with mine.

    http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciob%C4%83nesc_rom%C3%A2nesc_de_Bucovina
    :D

  36. AHA says:

    Sa va iau natia in pula de mongoloizi spurcati muriti toti cu natia voastra nu va mai inmultiti ciori spurcate, muriti, da muriti in mongolia sa nu ne jegariti pamantu’ cu hoitu’ vostru.

    Istoria de baza cu dovezi FIZICE putem spune lejer oricand ca pana si “hungayria” e pamant DAC, curva nespalata, sper sa iti crape copii si familia calcati de tren in fata ta muisto.

    Aceleasi urari de bine si avorturilor pierdute prin Romania.

  37. TDC says:

    Oh my God….and you’re upset when somebody says that hungarians are stupid people…..

  38. Andrei DInescu says:

    HAHA, GO BACK TO MONGOLIA YOU FUCKING CUNT. Omg you fucking Mongols don’t deserve to exist in Europe, I hope my country will invade your disgusting fucking piece of shit country. You say Transylvania is yours? here is a map of DACIA which your stupid fucking ass might not know is that DACIA = ROMANIA

    https://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&q=Dacia+on+today's+map&spell=1&sa=X&ei=DhSlUvaHM4izyAH9-YGoBQ&ved=0CE4QBSgA&dpr=1&biw=1360&bih=576#facrc=_&imgdii=KGJkzTfE6nOQGM%3A%3BfJnYyo53HKA3hM%3BKGJkzTfE6nOQGM%3A&imgrc=KGJkzTfE6nOQGM%3A%3B_F4FiqJaI5B5HM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.face-music.ch%252Farchelogy%252Fmap_dacia.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.face-music.ch%252Farchelogy%252Feasteurope_en.html%3B837%3B700

    • Nigel says:

      Mongolians conquered almost all of Asia, their empire spanned from Korea to Romania. When did the Romanians have such an empire? Dacians and Romanians are not the same. Dacia was conquered by Rome. However, it was flooded by nomadic immigrants, such as the Huns.

    • anoron naur says:

      Lol, this is the perfect example of a Romanian arguing in a civilized debate!
      When they run out of falsified history and/or facts that they made up but nobody else in the world supports (“DACIA = ROMANIA”), they start to shout and curse anybody that tries to be reasonable with them.

  39. Giovanni De Angelis says:

    What is your problem with Mongolia, amico? Mongolians are cool, and their country is great. They have a fucking great history,don’t they? :D

    Comunque, tanti baci dalla grandissima Italia, amici! :) Viva l’Italia, viva l’Ungheria, viva la Mongolia e viva la Rumenia! Sì!

  40. schreiber says:

    I am a Romanian. Although the reaction of some Romanians here is a little over the top and unnecessary I’d like to explain to the author that these reactions (poor guided as they may be, some of them) are a consequence of the fact that your article has a very serios tone about it and there are no actual puns/jokes that I can detect. This serious tone is is clearly guided towards belittling Romania/Bucharest.
    I almost could say that by your style of writing you should have expected the replies you got.

    Otherwise I agree with you, the whole nationalistic trend in Eastern Europe is a bad thing.And as far as I saw (I met a few east-europeans) Hungary is the most nationalistic one.

  41. hungarumsugitum says:

    The Americans know very well that you are a bunch of fallen cocks. They represented you quite well. Head back to the steppes of Asia. And try reading a book once in a while.

  42. anoron naur says:

    Okay, Okay,
    Enough of this nonsense about who is better and which capital should be militaristic or cultural!
    I’m pretty sure that when the Firaxis team had to create the City States, they wrote a bunch of country capitals from across the world on pieces of paper, put them in a hat and pulled them out by luck.
    -Lets see here, the next name I pull out will be Militaristic! Aaaand, its Budapest!
    And the same for Bucharest!

    Chill the heck out, don’t start a war over a game. This would be the stupidest reason for war (after the War of Jenkins’s Ear)

  43. anoron naur says:

    Also, how the heck did so many Romanians find this blog?
    I mean, it is written by a Hungarian and the doesn’t have anything to do with Romania (the context does).
    Are you deliberately looking for arguments like this in order to insult Hungarians. (most of the comments made by Romanians here are purely insulting, without any evidence that Hungarians actually deserve it)

  44. Làszló says:

    Romania can suck my cock, long live Hungary! Magyar forever

  45. yes says:

    HA Dracula hungarian. I didn’t think I would live to see something as stupid as that statement.

  46. God says:

    The one who wrote this article is either: 1) Brainwashed by the hungarian teachers who most likely promote the idea that Transylvania was stolen by Romanians
    2) Retarded
    3) Butthurt at the fact that Hungarians brought the Gypsies in europe. Why do you think they are called HUNgarians? Because they came from bloody Asia, them fucking nomads and gypsy bastards, know only to steal from others and point fingers.

    You wrote this on a horse? I believe you wrote it while being impaled on a giant purple dildo.

  47. Bozgor says:

    Can anyone here name a hungarian famous person? No. You can’t. What a shit, tiny country that has roots in mongolian civilizations. You are short, mongoloid, stupid people that have no future. Your country is a shithole and your language is disgusting. Your greatest leader was Romanian and the only decent mathematicians or physicists you had were actually jews who ran from your communist shithole. You as a country accomplished nothing, you’re nothing, zero. Burn in hell, mongoloids.

  48. badger says:

    hahaha you are absolutely mental, my boy… fuckin hell

  49. Vali says:

    What are yau normal.recomand you to be more informated.HUNgarians come from MONGOLIA in 800 a.chr..Why they have named HUNgarians his name come from romanian name of mogolian people named HUN.When you’ve comed in romania you kild the romanian which lived in Transilvenia befor you.Learn about Dacia http://isaw.nyu.edu/exhibitions/oldeurope/home.html .All your people aren’t nor as dacian’s little finger from the leg.


Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 85 other followers